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A Question of Statistics?

I am an ex-christian and I have been on a Christian forum. One of the Christians on this forum wrote the following about why Christianity must be true: Member Member # 3741 posted 02-21-2006 12:25 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors. (The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 102000 (that is 1 with 200...

A weekend intensive for letting go of religious indoctrination and reclaiming your life.

Led by Marlene Winell, Ph.D. The effects of authoritarian religious training can last a long time and run deep, seriously impacting your ability to enjoy life. The process of leaving one's faith often creates intense feelings of confusion, grief, anxiety, and anger. Full recovery can be difficult if the issues are not clear and you feel alone in the struggle. This workshop is designed to support you in this process of healing and growth. The weekend is a powerful group experience of sharing personal history, examining key issues, and exploring new liberating concepts. In addition to discussion, we will use experiential methods including art, guided visualization, movement, and role-play. There will also be time for shared meals, relaxation, and fun. Because we are staying together, we will have the chance to get acquainted and begin a lasting support system beyond the weekend. As a special bonus, we will have massage and acupuncture treatments available, and guests are welcome to ...

Say hello to yet another EX-christian

I was not abused by Catholic Priests, or by anyone in any way. Nothing catastrophic made me "angry with God". There was no single event that lead me to atheism; rather, it was a very gradual journey of examining the evidence, (or lack thereof) all the available facts, falsehoods & myths, actual cross-referencing history, from sources both within and hostile to christianity. Not to mention those that are purported to be "evidence" from an alleged "Jesus" contemporaries - most of which turn out to be hearsay, early christian forgeries, or conglomerations of mistranslations and misinterpretations. It was the use of logic, science and reason that lead me to atheism, as it has many here. After all, this is the default position. I am not the one making the claim that there is a god, afterlife, ghosts or demons or anything supernatural. It is religionists that make the claim(s). The burden of proof is on them. Carl Sagan used to say, "Extraordinary claim...

The Challenge to any Fundementalist Chrsitain reading this

sent in by Mike This is a challenge to any fundamentalist Christians reading this. I have posted this challenge already but it seems to have been ignored by the Christians who view this site, and hijacked by those wanting a political debate. I would challenge any Christians who insist that the bible is the inerrant word of god, to specifically answer the three questions below. Lots of you think that the ex-Christians on this site are either running from God or have given up because they want to be 'in the world' in order to sin. You just can't get your heads round the fact that the Bible is full of holes, and that we haven't 'chosen' to disbelieve. Instead we disbelieve because once you read the Bible you realise that it is full of holes. I have three types of problems with the Bible, and I challenge the Christians to explain them, without resorting to personal attacks such as "If you were a real Christian, you wouldn't need to ask these questions"...

one acid test

It seems to me there is one acid test that could prove the Bible is not the word of God. There is lots of prophecy in the Bible. Christians claim it all comes true or will come true and there is a strong probablistic argument for the Bible being a miracle from this. However it would seem to me that we would only need to find one prophecy among the hundreds stated which has not come true, and that because of of the way events have since gone no longer can come true (for example the nation concerned no longer exists) to discredit the truth of the prophecy. One unambigious example would be proof against surely? If the Bible has no supernatural aspect it would seem likely we would find one of these. Has anyone done any research on this subject? Regards Thomas Email:thomasjre at hotmail dot co dot uk

Just an incident

Hi guys! This isn't gonna be a testimony, cause I think I might give taht one to you later. But thanks for this website. It sure helps people to re-consider and get stuff straight. I just wanted to tell you about one situation I had with my christian friend. Shortly after I was a born-again christian I asked my friend: If god made every creature on earth the way it is supposed to be did the lions eat other animals then? She: No, they were all getting along and not eating each other. They only did that after the world had fallen. I: But then the world would have got overpopulated after only a short while. HOw would that have worked? She: God i so great he would have figured that out. Don't you believe he is great enogh to solve that problem. That was a moment when I really thought: Wow, it's gonna be hard to think that way. All I say is that the arguments of chritians are sometimes really lame. Of course they sometimes have good arguments but well...very rarely I came to dis...

I hardly know what to believe any more

I never thought I would find a site like this one - but its a comfort to know that there is one. Just reading a letter where someone mentioned Philip Yancey's book "Disappointment with God" and that pretty well sums it up for me too. So much has gone wrong since I became a Christian. I know there have been some very poignant moments in my Christian life, and I can't forget those times, but generally speaking, the quality of my life seems to have deteriorated since becoming a Christian and I have suffered from major depression as a result of this deterioration. I am told that this deterioration is a result of either curses or being under demonic attack. My anxiety levels have also definitely risen since becoming a Christian and I am fed up with just how complicated and scary it is to actually be a Christian. I hardly know what to believe any more, since every message is different. I wish it were just so simple and there were no complications or talk of spiritual...

I find it very interesting that you...

I just wanted to say a few things to you in regards to your website. From what I have seen here a lot of people talk about the lack of "proof" of God. The point of faith is to believe and trust in Him without him giving you a reason not to have faith. If you have any relationship don't you want your loved oens to trust you at some point without you constantly be doing miraculous things for them? At some point shouldn't they have faith in you as a person and for how much you care for them? I find it very interesting that you take so much time and effort to mock Christianity. If someone were to disrespect your beliefs and thoughts you would be offended, yet you take full advantage of the opportunity to be disrespectful to the beliefs of many people who have not harmed you in any manner. If you simply don't believe in Christ, why not leave it alone? Why the obsession? Either way I am sorry that you have so much bitterness and hate. It must be tough to carry th...

I'm a pastor in Indiana

I just came across your site for the first time. Interesting. But just between you and me (I'd hate to disillusion your readers) it's not christianity you are ex-ing, it's religion. The Christianity you are debunking is as far as I can tell man-made and man-altered. The message of God through Jesus Christ said nothing of retributin for AIDS, hating homosexuals, or even the right to be an atheist. God says love your neighbor as yourself; can't love me then you don't love yourself, and if you don't love yourself you don't love God. Loving the unloveable; that's what self-made Chrsitians can't do because that brings them down to the level of--EVERYONE!!! By the way, I'm a pastor in Indiana, and I too am a little discouraged with "Man's Christianity"; I serve a living God not a set of man-made rules and opinions. My brother told his friend about my church: "It's not your momma's church of God!" Keep on keepin...

hard to breathe

sent in by MJ I am new to this site. I posted a testimony . It's in the recent articles . Sometimes just thinking about what has happened in the past 2 years makes it very hard to breathe. I went for so long with Christianity programmed into me that it's really hard. Do I still believe in God? I can't answer that. Sometimes I don't think I do. Sometimes I think He's there. I can't decide. I was at a bar recently speaking w/ someone. They asked me what I believe in. (why is it that we are all programmed to have to have something to believe in?) I told them. Well, I do believe God exists. They asked if I thought that all would go to heaven. I replied no. They asked if I thought that I would go to heaven. I said with the way I am living, I would go to hell. Does that scare me? Yes, I would go to hell. I am so confused right now. I am sure many of you have gone through this. But it's hard. I know that we all have to find something to believe in; even if it's...

I wonder if many got the real gospel

Hello, just typing in to say that I found this site. I think it is very sad, many of the experiences people have had. Yet, after reading testimonies, I wonder if many got the real gospel...the real good news...or just got a bunch of man-made tradition and hypocrisy, which is quite easy to reject. And which, I cannot blame them for rejecting. Email:jrprentice11@yahoo.com

Christmas "battle" is really becoming annoying

sent in by Sarah Ironically, I feel like the fundamental Christians are trying to take away Christmas/Holiday/Hannaukah (whatever you prefer to celebrate during this time of year) for the rest of us. Anyone who studies the history of "Christmas" for even five minutes will learn that there are so many roots of the December celebration which go way beyond the birth of Christ (by the way, the actual day of his birth is still an unknown). For example, have you ever heard of "Saturnalia"? It was a Roman holiday in the middle of December during which the Romans would celebrate by exchanging presents...etc, and it's similar to how Christmas is celebrated today in many ways. This is just one of a number of holidays that contributed to today's version of Christmas, other than the birth of Jesus. http://www.holidays.net/christmas/story.htm Take from the above website: "The Roman's celebrated their god Saturn. Their festival was called Saturnalia which began...

Looking for volunteers

To whom it may concern, My name is Simon, I'm researching a documentary film for Touch Productions, based in Bath, UK. We're trying to find stories about families that have been divided or broken due to religious conflict within the home. This might involve a split family, who haven't seen a daughter for ten years, or maybe a devout couple where one has a dramatic change of faith. I was hoping that you might be able to help us with our research by answering a few questions. Maybe you or someone you know has been affected in this way or possibly you know of someone who might be able to help us further. The idea is still in the early stages of development, but we're hoping to have it ready to pitch to channel commissioners by early next week. Any information you might be able to provide us with would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time and kind regards, Simon Ball simon@touchproductions.co.uk www.touchproductions.co.uk

you won't be able to say, "Gosh, I didn't know....."

Dear Dave, Your decision to become an anti-christ drove you to create a website so that you could take as many people to hell with you as possible....Am I right? Whatever you do, just remember this: (1) The Bible tells us that, in the end times, there would be many false prophets spewing forth lies about God and the Bible. You fit that bill. (2) The Bible tells us that, in the end times, many would be beheaded for their belief in Jesus. "Beheaded" - not "shot", "drowned", or "choked to death". Beheaded. The only people in the universe who still behead are the Muslims - and you'd have to be blind, deaf and dumb to not see that they have already begun to behead and torture the "infidels", and are slowly taking over the planet! (3) The anti-christ (who should be showing his face anytime now, because the time is ripe) will be making a seven-year peace treaty with Israel. When that happens, I would urge you to rethink your posi...

I was very wrong

I must say. I thought as I came to this site (some how I got here looking for the matrix theme...) that I would just find a large amount of disgruntled morons disrespecting a religion. I was very wrong. As I read on I find that all of you seem to be average people with good sound ideas. I am a Catholic by definition and I would send that ten dollars in if I had a PayPal account. I obviously do not, but I must say otherwise I support your site. While it goes against what I believe, you do show good support for your ideals and you stand by them when others challenge you, and I find that a rare as well as noble trait. I find it funny how people like you ex-Christians, atheists, and other no-god etc. groups stand by your ideas more than those who support a god. Well, in conclusion, thank you for taking the time to read this and good luck with the site. joseph c