You are playing Russian Roulette with Eternity
If you are right then you go to nothing. If I am right then you go to Heaven or HELL. You are playing Russian Roulette with Eternity. God will not allow your blasephemy to continue. Something will happen. Maybe you have already been judged and will not be allow to repent. This is the ultimate judgement to be cast on the sandbar of eternity without a means of repentance. I hope this has not happened to you. It may not be too late. Please repent and discontinue this rubbish. You may be granted mercy for your soul and grace in time of need. To be a rebrobate is to have a mind without GOD. It is apparent by you site that you are Rebrobate and possibly without hope. I am warning you with Love, so that your blood is not on my hands. Kill the site and live.
Tim Wilson
email:wilson@mail.com
Tim Wilson
email:wilson@mail.com
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Though on a serious note, you're the one playing games and wasting this precious, short life of yours by mindlessly following a cult.
All that you have got is a book (man made), hearsay and probably the way your religion makes you feel (a feeling). Yes I am going to drop everything I am doing now and and run in fear.......NOT. I have lived in fear for much of my life and do not intend to live that way anymore. I thank you for your concern.
I could say soooo much much more but I will try and be nice.
I hope you have a nice time in "you" heaven.
http://www2.vip.net/~wemartin/bible
Then again, I shouldn't even be comparing you to people like that. Why? Because at least those people TRY to be rational and scientific. UFO nuts, Bigfoot freaks, and Elvis lovers at least make an effort to make what they spout sound rational and scientific. Sure, many purported UFO pictures are obvious fakes...but they, at least, make an effort to provide physical proof. Bigfoot people, again, while having some pretty bad hoaxers, AT LEAST THEY MAKE AN EFFORT to be scientific. Elvis nuts are the same. Most of those in the three groups know people will laugh at them and think they're crazy. But, at least they make an effort to provide concrete proof...on the other hand, wackos like you just want us to close our minds and never think.
What amazes me is that UFO lovers and Bigfoot lovers are laughed at as nuts...while fundies like you get elected to high offices. Life existing elsewhere in the Universe or some animals like Bigfoot that humans have yet to discover isn't all that far fetched, and even plausible...while the Buy-Bull is a load of shit that a six year old in a coma can see through if he isn't brainwashed.
Don't fret too much about us apostates; just assume the Holy Spirit knows what he's doing.
Post one thing that has become true in the Bible since it was written.
One thing!
With the exception of Israel becoming a Nation, which is no big friggin proshesy, and that we all die, nothing new there.
Ok post one thing that has come or become true, in the bible since it was written.
Just one thing!
I'm waiting.
1.
Now if you will go to my blog and read all of it, I will prove to you that the Bible is 100% false, if you do not go there and read it, I will consider you an reprobate.
http://exchristian.net/testimonies/2006/07/breaking-last-bond-of-slavery.html
You braindead fool!
Breaking The Last Bond of Slavery...
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I don't even know where to start except to say that I am quite happy that I can see clearly now since my third eye has been restored. I no longer feel awkward, embarrassed, ashamed, uncomfortable, or guilty when I proudly and justifiable tell people that "No, I am not a believer in the program of Christianity and I don't go to church to take part in the distortion of God."
Of course most think I have lost my mind when I say this, but I don't disagree because I have lost the mind that they gave me without my permission. All my life, Christianity was all I knew. I was taught that to think or believe anything else was disrespectful and devious in God's eyes. I was also told that to fellowship with anyone who believed anything different from myself would be disruptive to my soul because such people were lost and unfavorable in God's view. Never once though did anyone bring up the fact that all the images that I would see of God and/or of Jesus never looked like me or the people in my community. They all had European features and such, which I thought was a bit odd because I couldn't help, but wonder would white folk have the same images up in their churches, home and sanctuaries, etc. of their oppressor and savior, and God and enslaver being of like nature?
Even if Blacks weren't the oppressors, I still wonder would white people proudly display a Black Jesus or God figure in their home, sanctuary, etc? The answer that I keep concluded was HELL No, because either consciously or subconsciously people know how powerful images are on the mind. This issue greatly disturbed me every time I'd witness this, which was and still is quite frequently. This didn't make sense to me, but as a good Christian girl, I thought something was wrong with me and not the program that I was made to believe. Attending college was the biggest eye opener for me because so many things had been introduced to me that none of my uneducated family members ever could have even pondered to explore with me, much less themselves.
I began to learn how the Europeans went into Africa spreading this poison called Christianity to subvert the minds of the masses in order to enslave them and in the interim, convince them that they were the savages, barbarians and hedonistic people who had no God consciousness, therefore they deserved to be enslaved. Although they had their own powerful way of relating to the creator, the psychopathology of Christianity seared in their minds for so long made them hate everything that was indicative of their homeland, especially their own religious practices. Learning that the first slave ship to this country was named "Jesus" disturbed me enough to the point that I stopped going to church immediately! I also learned how this religion has been spread all over the world essentially to have every culture's belief system in tuned and on one accord to the exaltation of the European race. As a psych minor, I learned how powerful images are on the mind in that once you start looking at your savior/God in human form with characteristics of the supposed "superior" race, one will naturally assume the role of being inferior and thus relate to that other race with undue reverence by default simply because they automatically mentally equate the "esteemed" race with God (excellent examples of brainwashing via the Christian art on this website).
It's not hard to see why my people are spiritually misaligned, which is mainly due to the pernicious doctrine that they were assigned to in this country in regards to their system of faith. Though my people are no longer in physically slavery, I've have learned why their minds are still in bondage which can be attributed to their inability to understand that their slave masters never ever intended to give them a spiritual system for their own personal benefit.
Christianity has been nothing more than a perpetual enslavement for Black people because of it's deep rooted history of white supremacy. I am proud to have learned about my history and the greatness of the ancient Egyptian spiritual system that is still evidenced today (Can't say that about any of the allegorical people of the bible). Among other mind blowing revelations, when I found out that this so called "Jesus" person had essentially the exact life story like the great ones such as Horus, Buddha, Krishna, and several other enlightened ones, but their stories predate "Jesus' " by hundreds (and some thousands) of years, I felt righteous indignation about being lied to all of my life, which has caused me to be on a mission to free every Black mind that I can from this false belief system that has done the most damage to the natural self perseverational instinct of a people. I am finding out that a lot of people don't wanna be free though. It's much easier, less threatening, and more accepting to suspend common sense and adhere to traditions than to be one who is not satisfied with being told what to think, but rather has an innate affinity to learn how to think.
I am honored to be a part of the vanguard of liberating the next generation from this twisted form of worship through the teachings that I employ with my child, nieces, nephews and others that encourage them to choose the path of learning the truth, researching information, questioning any and everything, and being more inclined to the authority of tangible evidence of Our- story instead of ascribing to the faith of HIS-tory.
I applaud you all for your fortitude and will to un-arrest your development! And for the record, I appreciate and respect all people (Black, White, Yellow, Brown), I just have a vested interest in my own people because of the current state of affairs that has misguided my people to self-destruct in spite of their greatness. ~~M.A.
"In order to understand the historical origins of Christianity, one dominant fact must be understood. This fact is that, to this day, there is no historical data or biography in existence to substantiate the life and times of a Jesus the Christ" ~~John L. McKenzie, S.J., Dictionary of the Bible p.432
Bible Belt
Georgia
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I was born into and assigned to this religion since my journey on the planet began
In my heart and soul, I never was a Christian, but I proudly came out of the closet in 2003. Yeah for me!!! : -)
Was: Santified Baptist, Holier than thou Methodist, Jesus Junkie Jehovah Witness
Now: I am in my right mind in that I am expressing my faith through my innate God gene
Converted because: I didn't have a choice in the matter because it was assigned to me through the forced transmission placed on my ancestors
De-converted because: Because my spirit would have it no other way
By the way blaine, outstanding post! *Claps*
Isn't he the one who lit the eternal fires of hell?
Isn't he the one who gave freewill to humans?
Isn't he the one who created the Tempter, the Deceiver, and let him in with the naive and innocent Adam and Eve?
Isn't he the one who made salvation available only through hearing about some lone saviour, whose story needs to be spread manually thoughout the entire world to all 'those who have not heard'?
Isn't he the one who has made it so difficult and random for anybody to find the one true 'straight and narrow' path out of the confusing myriad of options, let alone outright deceptions, that are out there?
So why can't he just point the gun at his own head, and leave us all alone?
There again, perhaps having other Gods before the God of Abraham should be a Death Penalty offence... :) In fact, your Demon God doesn't just kill you, he then tortures you (in absentia) for all eternity. Nice guy... ever wonder why Moses racked up a body count as high a Hitler or Stalin? Probably not... those Midianites had it coming, and WTF were the Canaanites doing inthe Promised Land? Evidently something worthy of the order 'kill all who breathe'. Of course, you may say that Jesus wasn't involved but then that pisses on the idea of the Trinity.
BTW, you doing a Pilate doesn't absolve you of anything, you benighted offspring of Frank Oz' right arm...
Who told you the bible is true, did an angel drop down from the sky and tell you the bible is true?
No! another human told you it was true and you were stupid enough to believe it.
Who do you think wrote the bible?
Was it a god or jesus? No! it was humans.
Neither god nor jesus never wrote any part of the bible.
How come their names, god or jesus are not mentioned at the top of the chapters?
Because they never wrote any part of the bible, it was written by scared people just like you.
Allah has a hell waiting for you Tim, you better wash and pray 5 times a day or you will be eaten by Satan's dogs.
I could offer a fearsome rebuttal but, to be honest and in the Anglo-Saxon vernacular, I can't be arsed! Besides, I don't really want to waste pixels on it.
What say we insist on proof of these individuals' credentials? So we know we are dealing with intelligent, reasoning people who's life-experience doesn't consist of Bible study, homework and their nightly wet-dream (for which they must repent each morning). Just a thought. But then I guess if he was intelligent and reasoning then he wouldn't be spouting such unmittigated crap.
SwissMiss
I've sent you a little email, hope you don't mind.
Hugs SwissMiss x
But, OK, I'll play along. Given that the fear factor seems to be the most important aspect of christianity to Tim, as well as to Pascal, would it not be wiser for the wagering man or woman to choose his or her religion based entirely on which one has the most horrible hell? That would yield the bigger pay-off, assuming the cultist is correct.
If was making a movie about Biblegod and had to pick an actor, I'd have either Christopher Walken or Jack Nicholson play Biblegod...both of those actors are very good at playing an over-the-top, psychotic character.
If there exist a god who judges people based upon what people's brain believes, this type of thinking is just plain ludicrous.
What if you were judged by the type of candy that you enjoy, like M&M;s or Baby Ruth, depending on what brand of candy you enjoy best, will depend on whether you will spend eternity in Heaven or Hell, same freaking principle.
This would justify the thinking of a bunch of lunatic's 2000 years ago.
For some reason, people want an excuse to judge others, it takes the spotlight off of them, being a christian, gives them a license (they like to think) to judge others and everyone except themselves. That lunatic had already placed himself in Heaven and already placed you into Hell.
It will take volumes and volumes of logic to undo the volumes and volumes of brainwashing that the bible has done to people, they've had over two thousand years to perfect their brainwashing, when we only have a short period of time on Earth to try to undo their bullshit.
The only solution is when a fundy constanly repeats all their cliche's over and over for years and then one day it finally hits them, they will say to themselves, what the hell is wrong with me? What the hell was I thinking? What have I been doing? How could I have been so freaking stupid?
That's the only way it will work, through self discovery, they have to see it for themselves and then, only if they will allow it.
For some reason people think that they have to hide behind a facade, I'm sure it comes from the fear of their fathers when they were little children, fear of being spanked or punished, the bible was written totally based on fear of the father, then converted to fear of the invisible heavenly father and he will also spank you or punish you, the supreme father figure.
People that allow themselves to believe such nonsense, are not mentally stable.
Thanks for sharing Blaine, Ben
Do you realize that your doctrine of salvation by grace is a new testament doctrine? What do you make of the gospels? Don't you see that "Jesus saves" is not what Jesus taught? How do you explain this? Perhaps humankind distorted the teachings of Christ. Have you ever considered that? What do you suppose Christ meant when he said "If thine eye be single thy whole body shall be full of light?" How about "whosoever keepeth my saying shall never see death?" How about "choose not the way that leads to death, choose the way that leads to life eternal?" What do you make of the condemnation of John 3:19, or Luke 9:22-9:29? Why would Christ say these things? How would one correlate them with the doctrine of salvation by grace?
Consider the doctrine of salvation by grace. We are all born into "sin," because Adam and Eve ate a piece of fruit. Being born into sin in a "fallen state," we are already destined for eternal torment, then, being in a "fallen state" and having "forgotten from whence we have fallen," i.e., the "joy of the spirit," we are naurally drawn toward the "pleasures of the flesh," and "driven by the hunger in our bellies," we commit such deeds as "fornication," which is generally thought to mean sex without marriage, and we fight, steal, cheat, and kill for land and food, being part of the food chain. All these things piss God off, and for these things and because Adam and Eve gained "knowledge of good and evil," we will all be "cast into hell" when we die. For four thousand years, everybody went to hell, then God sent Jesus, his "only begotten Son," who somehow is yet is not God, to die a horrible death on a cross, which pleases God, who then allows into heaven aybody who will "accept Jesus," and it is vague as to exactly what the means. Somehow, the death on the cross assures entry into heaven, yet it is "accepting Jesus" which assures entry into heaven. Huh? First John 2:2 tells us that Christ died for the whole world! Huh? Anyway,that is the doctrine of "salvation by grace." Why do you believe such a thing? Do you honestly believe it? Why? It is absurd.
I await your response.
I forgive people who purposely turn away from me and try to hurt me. Therefore, I am a better and more compassionate person than your God.
I understand that when people make bad choices, they are doing so because of personal issues they need to deal with, and those choices are punishment enough without me making it worse. Therefore, I am a better and more merciful person than your God.
In the choice between your God and hell...what's the difference?
I fell for this hypocritical garbage once, but not again.
Hello Tim, I was viewing the "anti-testimonies" of the website "www.exchristian.net" and came across your comment about the site. If you are willing to discuss this rationally, I would like to respond point by point the things you said, and correct you on a few things.
You said : "If you are right then you go to nothing. If I am right then you go to Heaven or HELL. You are playing Russian Roulette with Eternity."
My reply : This is a popular apologist argument known as "Pascal's wager". Don't forget, this wager you present is only giving 2 options (believe in your specific version of christianity vs. not believing it). However, it is flawed because you are forgetting that there are over 8,000 gods which are currently worshipped in dozens of religions world wide. And on top of that, let's assume christianity is the "true" religion. You are still far from "getting to heaven", because there are over 30,000 christian denominations who have their own version of the "gospel" and "Jesus". So, you would have to get the correct version of Jesus. Think that is enough? Also remember, that once you pick the "correct" version of the sadistic saviour, the bible still says the odds of "getting to heaven" are so astronomical, it is almost a worthless effort on the part of the believer like yourself. Matthew 7:21-23 clearly says most who are believers of the actual correct version of Jesus will still not get to heaven, even though they believe in Jesus as Lord, they live a good christian life and do wonderful works. So, it appears, if you wish to be accurate, the odds of your "wager" being the only wager available are about a million to one. Not such good odds.
Also, don't forget, if Islam is true and you are wrong, then you will have EVERYTHING to lose, since you will burn in hell next to the atheist. And what is even more interesting is that the hell of Islam is actually WORSE than the hell of christianity. So, if you want to be "safe", then choose the religion which has the worst version of hell (because then you would only go to the lighter version of hell if that religion is wrong). Also, you are broadbrushing everyone who comes to exchristian.net's website. Not all ex-christians are atheists or agnostics. Some are pagans, witches, buddhists. So, to assume that all ex-christians are in the same religious or non-religious category is a bigoted argument. Certainly if one of us said "All Christians are child molesters" would be a vicious attack on all christians, when in reality only a percentage of christians enjoy giving kids the old one eye.
Another point is that you claim if you are right, people go to heaven or hell. The problem is that "hell" is nowhere found in the original language of the bible (hebrew, aramaic or greek). Hell was inserted much later by state sponsored church leaders who translated the bible into English. For more info on what "hell" actually is, please check out the CHRISTIAN website...www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com . See, here is the dilemma. If there is no original sin (which contradicts the doctrine of free will), and there is no "hell" (which there clearly is not in the original language of the bible), then there is no need for a saviour. And you can't have that, can you?
One last point in this is that you call it "Russian Roulette with Eternity". However, where is all your evidence of "eternity" to which you expect us to be scared by? And once you provide evidence, how do you know that we are playing Russian Roulette with it? If it is all a matter of chance, then you should not believe gambling is a sin. Especially if your god does such gambling with people's eternities. Unless of course you believe we have power over eternity (are you suggesting we have more power than the god you worship?)
You said : "God will not allow your blasephemy to continue. Something will happen. Maybe you have already been judged and will not be allow to repent. This is the ultimate judgement to be cast on the sandbar of eternity without a means of repentance."
My reply : To suggest that "God" will not allow their blasphemy to continue is a shallow remark on several levels. Apparently, they have been receiving anti-testimonies since 2002. So, we can know the site has been running for at least 4 years. Yet, your "god" still has yet to stop or slow down its popularity. Secondly, how do you define "blasphemy"? If your god doesn't want them to have this site up and your god is all powerful, then how can you explain the lack of stopping it from "blaspheming" your god? And what is even more interesting is, your first statement is that WE have power over eternity (since you claimed we are playing Russian Roulette with Eternity). Then you turn around in your second statement by claiming your god has the power over eternity. Which is it? I wish christians like yourself would make up your mind regarding who has the power over eternal destinies. And what you are saying about your "loving" god is that such a god doesn't know what love is whatsoever. Making your bogus threats which have no validity (since this website is growing and your god hasn't seemed too concerned to stop it). I find it interesting you say in order to go to the correct eternity, one has to "repent". Yet, there are people who never repented who Jesus forgave. He forgave the soldiers who were crucifying him (Luke 23:34). They kept on killing him, yet he forgave them anyway. So, if Jesus would forgive the very people who killed him and those people didn't repent, then certainly Jesus (if he existed) would forgive people who never killed him and who never repented. Also, if you say "well, he forgave them, but if they didn't repent, they wouldn't go to heaven", then that means when Jesus forgives people, they are not REALLY forgiven and therefore, he was a fraud. So, you are in a dilemma of a cosmic nature.
You said : " I hope this has not happened to you. It may not be too late. Please repent and discontinue this rubbish. You may be granted mercy for your soul and grace in time of need. To be a rebrobate is to have a mind without GOD. It is apparent by you site that you are Rebrobate and possibly without hope. I am warning you with Love, so that your blood is not on my hands. Kill the site and live."
My reply : This is typical fundamentalist rhetoric which has no validity or proof for any of it. You assume that it will be "too late" for people who simply expose christianity for the blood cult it is. And you have not proven how anything on the site is "rubbish". Apparently you have not read the vast number of anti-testimonies which clearly prove christianity is a bad idea. Would you be convinced of christianity's dangerous ideas with the fact that millions have suffered and died at the hands of "loving" christians? Christianity has had 2000 years to get its act straight and to make the world a better place and it did just the opposite. What do you do with an idea that constantly harms people and fails at its supposed goals after 2000 years? Do you keep suggesting it is "God's plan" for the horror, or do you honestly admit christianity is a crock since it began?
I suggest you ask yourself if your "god" is so powerful, so loving and so knowledgable, why doesn't he stop these "blasphemous" websites? Put up or shut up. I suggest since you probably believe in prayer, you pray to Jesus to stop the website. I will pay you $100 if your prayers stop the website through supernatural means (computer hackers don't count). Certainly Jesus could use the money by you giving it to your church. In fact, it would be like a "double blessing". Not only would God stop these horrible "heathens" from spreading their blasphemous logic, you could give money to your church so it can spread the message of christianity further. Let's see if your prayers really work, okay?
Until then, grow the fuck up,
Matt
Good post, Matthew. I haven't gone to your site on what the hell is hell, but did you discuss how the concept came from the burning garbage in the valley of Gehenna?
It's looks like Timmy is one of those drive by fundies, came along and dropped a load of guano, got his jebus brownie points and flew away, sounds like the doo doo bird to me.
Anyway, Tim come back and pray for us some more, it seems that first barrage of prayer shit didn't work, I didn't feel a damned thing!
Maybe you prayed to the wrong god, maybe you've been playing Russian Roulette with the wrong god, could it be that you are in hell now, sent there by Allah?
If so, let us know which hell you're in, so we can avoid the one you're in, since you're so concerned with our destiny.
In the mean time, we will be praying for you that you did not go to the wrong hell, but I'm afraid you waited too long and it's too late now, so now you're stuck in Allah's hell and you will burn for ever, and now all we can do is watch you burn, because we chose not to believe, therefore we have nowhere to go, which is much better than where you are right now.
We'll send you a drop of water to place on your tongue, to comfort you on your torment for all eternity!
Seems like you worshipped the wrong god, a big fatal mistake, but it's out of our hands now, because we chose not to believe in your stupid ignorant nonsense.
I hope you took plenty of suntan lotion with you, because you are going to need it for all eternity.
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
Seriously, have you ever considered the possiblity that God, if she exists, is so enraged that you would lower religious belief down to the same level as placing a $2 bet at a horse race, that she'll send you to Hell for doing so? After all, your Bible says god gets mad over just about everything else we ever did or said, so she certainly would over that.
And it really bothers you that I use the female pronoun for your god, doesn't it? Now, why is that?