Brainwashing and Fraud

sent in by Deist

Here is a link that shows brainwashing in action. It shows a guy that went to hell and the sky dictator said "Why didn't you give them tracts" What pure BS. As George Carlin says "fleecing the flock, fraud in action"

I think religion is naive to think it has the know-it-alls about the forces of nature. It is nothing but a cop out for the unexplainable. Basically saying I don't know what causes it, so we'll tell the masses it is god that did it.

Humans have the strange ability to be rational and irrational at the same time. We are the only animals that are like that. Another chunk of evidence to prove that the Christian religion is B.S. is the goofy view it has on sexuality.

For some strange reason LUST is a sin but without lust how can you procreate? Lust is that urge to mate, how is that a sin? Now in civilized societies, it is bad to force someone into sex that I understand but with 2 consenting adults who are not married, who cares. I do believe in a higher non-personal non-judgmental power but not the silly sky dictator called Jehovah.

Bible god to me is a psychopathic, ruthless, insecure, peeping tom. I like my f&*king privacy. I don't like the idea of a deity watching me take a s**t!! As I said before I think there is a higher power but that’s it, doesn't go beyond that. I do not think humans have the ability to have knowledge of this higher power.

In order for me to believe in heaven, hell, Satan and bible god, I have to see evidence, no circular logic but that good ‘ol hard evidence. Out of the billions of people on this planet not one person can show me a picture or video of these imaginary places and monsters. I even tried to Google Satan and god and all were paintings but no photos (being sarcastic):)

I used to be a Christian until I read the bible. I had to step outside the box and say hey this makes no sense.

This B.S. no longer applies to intelligent people of the 21st century.

Over and Out


Steven Bently said...

There could be a higher power of structure or fabric that holds the universe together, a universal essence of being, to exist, is to know while existing, that something exists.

To live on such a small little tiny miniscule planet that revolves around a small little miniscule Sun and no way of knowing what really is out there beyond our own solar system, it would be overly arrogant for the people that wrote the Bible to say that they know all about God and his/her/it's motive behind getting people into a Heaven that has never been seen, when they themselves knew absolutely nothing about the planet that they lived on and denounced any scientific knowledge as from demons or witches.

If a God created the entire Universe in just 6 days all by himself, then why did he leave the most important event (above all else)of salvation up to the humans that he supposedly regretted making in the first place?

And why did it take him 4000 years to come up with the virgin birth salvation plan, if he created the entire universe in just 6 days?

Why leave man, whom God confounded their language, in charge of the most important decission a person could possibly make, (based entirely on a belief and imaginary faith) since God is not willing that anyone should perish, even after killing thousands or possibly millions, during the genocide flood.

What it boils down to is this, since man has no God, he will create one, but this God of man, or man's God, has certain restrictions, depending upon what a person choses or wants to believe.

Apparently man cannot face being alone, he has to have a reason and a purpose, otherwise he thinks his existance has no purpose or meaning. Man's purpose is to experience time, after death time does not exist for the dead to experience. Time only exists for the conscious living brain to experience. Right now, time is our God, because it is the only thing that we can experience when awake, when we're dead or asleep or unconscious, we are not aware of time, that's why as soon as we go to sleep, it's seems like it's time to get up, but 8 hours may have just passed, but we were not aware of it. So the living brain is the only thing that can experience existance and time.

The living brain is our only God!

After death there is nothing for the brain to experience, because the brain is no longer aware of time or existance.

You can be dead for a billion years or a trillion years and not know it, but until your brain regains back it's conscious awareness, it will cease to remember and experience nothing.

Thers' no guarantee that the brain will ever regain back it conscious awareness, only a promise based upon a belief. That's why so many want a tombstone with their names inscribed, above their grave, so when God comes back looking for them, at least they can say, Look down below through the dirt for me, and God can't say I could not find you!

The Bible God and the Quran God and all religions and Gods are the best a man can come up with, to pacify the ignorant.

In all probablity, if there is life on other distant planets, they have created their own Lords and Goddesses, my hopes are that they are not as stupid and ignorant as we have been in the last thousands of years.

emptycan said...

HI, Deist,

You made a goo~d point that "I used to be a Christian until I read the bible. I had to step outside the box and say hey this makes no sense."

So there is a good and easy way to change many xtians into ex-xtians. Just make them read the bible. That's it. ha ha ha ^^

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emptycan said...

Ben, I like your comment above - especially, "The living brain is our only God!" I think you made a nice point.

There is something interestingly different between western world and eastern world in the way of thinking (paradigm). In wastern, as far as i know, being is better than non-being. In eastern, however, non-being is better than being.

I perfer eastern paradigm to western, not because i am from eastern, but because it's more broad and inclusive one. Being is finite and means there is something of non-being. But non-being does not require being as its premise.

When I read your "living brain," I guessed that you were still heavily influenced by the western and xtian paradigm. 'Living' must have 'being dead' as its premise. But non-living does not require living.

'Living' perhaps is afraid of 'being dead.' But non-being does not fear being, because non-being is limitless and infinite. So, non-being trascend 'living' and 'being dead.' If so, can we achieve the status of non-being? I don't know. Maybe. As far as i know, buddhists strive to taste it.

Charles said...

Anyone having Doubts about Jesus Saves, copy and paste this link below:

Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words!

Soon you will notice the nice duck taped rear window, that really says it

ApostateLiberalEvilDoer said...

Jack Chick is always good for sh!ts and giggles. BTW, even most Christians don't take him seriously.

Anonymous said...

man, that comic is so weird...
It's agressive and plays with fear. Not only it wants to scare non-believers, but believers as well. Kinda like: If you don't tell others about him then skydaddy is gonna be not amused. Really freaky!

Jim said...

The scripture says in the Old Testament if one can covert back to the Hebrew Tanach. "When a man cleaves unto himself a woman the two become one flesh" Christian scripture changed the word "woman" into "wife" This is one of many deceptions perpetrated by Christianity to fool the masses. I see Christianity as one of the greatest man made frauds ever produced.

J. C. Samuelson said...

I remember a long time ago, when I was young, dumb, and full of - well, you know what - I used to play D&D occasionally with a group of friends. Someone (a grandparent, I think) gave me a Chick tract about the "dangers" of role-playing games. While I don't remember what the consequences were, I seem to recall the tract saying something about dungeon masters really being representatives of a cult of witches and that the game's real objective was to recruit members of this supposed cult.

What I clearly remember is laughing my silly ass off over it. I kept it for a long time and showed it to many of my friends, who shared my amusement at the sheer ignorance and hyper-sensitivity of whoever made the tract. We knew it was from some Christian, but at the time I don't think any of us were familiar with Jack Chick. It wasn't until years later (and about 6 years ago) that I came across the same tract on that website.

I wanted to post a link to it here to share it with others who might've engaged in this harmless pastime in their youth (or still play it now), but it's no longer up. They do have some articles on the subject that are nearly as amusing, if you want a good chuckle.

Anyway, Jack Chick and his ilk are definitely wackjobs, but at least they are occasionally - and probably accidentally - entertaining.

brigid said...

I would like to know why anybody needs chick tracts (chicken tracks) or any other tracts. If the bible points the way to salvation, then a tract would seem to be superfluous. Growing up catholic, I wondered why we had to have 2000 years of theology and a power structure that made the cosa nostra look like a circle jerk.

My own theory is that jack chick hates christianity and wants to make it appear ridiculous. Has anybody read the sugar creek gang stories? Dumbest shit ever written.None of us needs to argue against christinity, we just sit back and let them talk nonsense.

Walk into any christian bookstore and check out the hundreds and hundreds of books about how to get saved and live the christian life. The bible is not enough? Any of you saved types want to comment on this? And by the way, while you're hanging around, notice how many books are about your mental and emotional problems. god isn't enough either. Most of us know that christianity comes out of a book, and once your mind is totally screwed up, then more books need to be written, and then more, and then more. The christian bookstore is a testimony to the failure of the bible.

Hi ubergeek. Just a word for you, honey. I encountered chick tracts when I was just a kid, and being a good catholic girl, I was astonished to see the faith reduced to a little comic book. Damned protestants have no respect.

Anonymous said...

As an enlightened adult I can look at the chick tracts and see them for what they are. But as a child those things scared me!

My father had tons of these things always lying around the house when I was young and first learning how to read. My mother just saw them as little “comic books” and didn’t have a problem with me reading them. I don’t think she ever read one herself.

I was told that this was the Truth™. The particular brand of christianity that is put forth in those tracts is VERY sick and demented.

Those things played a significant part in my brainwashing as a child. The fact that it is put in “cartoon” form pisses me of even more.

When I see someone passing them out, I think about it ending up in some child’s hands and it infuriates me. It makes me want to go kick there ass!!

We can all laugh at the tracts now and see how asinine they really are.

But in the end…..there is nothing “funny” about the damage they most assuredly have caused.

Just one more cog in the xtian brainwashing machine…………….

J. C. Samuelson said...

I'd have to agree that to a child, these things would be terrifying. But then, what better way to begin the total brainwash/mindfuck than by scaring them into obedience?

And they think they're showing love by giving 'em to kids. No offense to anyone's well-meaning but misguided parents.

Brigid! Glad to see you're still posting, sweetheart! C'mon now, didn't you know that the Catholic church/the Pope is the whore of Babylon? Have some respect for the Protestants who were able to see through the lies and deception (gag - hack - wheeze - cough)....NOT! Sorry to hear you were traumatized by this stuff.

"My own theory is that jack chick hates christianity and wants to make it appear ridiculous."

Would that it were so! He does such a good job.

I never read any of the Sugar Creek crap, but the name is familiar. I bet it was a radio show on the Christian station I used to listen to years back. There were cutesy, melodramatic, and child/family-oriented radio shows on this station all the time, and there might've been some Sugar Creek ones. I don't really remember, but I do remember the shows that were on were pretty lame.

christuffer said...

Funny stuff!

Well that's one way to sell your product.

Anonymous said...

If it wasn't for Jack Chick, I wouldn't have known that the Pope was responsible for the Holocaust!

Anonymous said...

I'm glad you mentioned Geoge Carlin
for he is my mentor,...He really puts xtians in their place.His take on the the 10 commandments is so freakin funny!He also says we,
(ex-christians),should protest religion instead of war.Instead of picketing in front of government facilities,..lets picket in front of churches!!!!

Anonymous said...

Jack Chick is a godly man and you're gonna go to hell, and I'm gonna laugh. Jesus is gonna laugh to, cause he's got a big one and he'll refuse to put it in you.

Anonymous said...

hmmm... just throwing this out there, but regarding that point on lust. I feel you on how it doesn't make sense for that physical desire to be a sin. But I think lust is more defined in the realm outside of marriage - meaning it's not lust in the context of marriage. But yea, this argument can go on forever.

And I hear that often too. How it would be nice if we could just SEE God or if he could just show us that he's real instead of having this uncertainty thing always looming over our heads. But I like to think of it in terms of a parent and a young child. A parent doesn't call their 5 year old son over, sit them down at the kitchen table, and explain to them their financial struggles, the fact that they have to pay rent every month, how they're unsure of what they're gonna do since both parents lost their job. Even if it concerns the child, he's both too immature and too weak to be able to handle that. Instead, the parents, on their own accord, with their child's best interest at heart, try to work things out. The only thing they really demand (which usually doesn't even have to be asked for) is trust.

So I think that could be where all these 'cop-out' answers come from like 'just trust in God.' Because whether we knew it or not, that's how we grew up right? Just trusting in our parents, our teachers, our friends. Sure there's evidence for the existence of the moon, but isn't a lot of things we accept by faith anyway?

Yep, just some thoughts. I think that this is a great site to discuss and talk about these kind of issues. But if the purpose of the site is to bash Christianity, doesn't that seem like a waste of time for people who are unconcerned with and don't believe in what you guys call the 'bible god'? In any case, I enjoyed reading your post and responding. Take it easy dude.

Dave Van Allen said...

Anony-bot, you are assuming that which you are attempting to prove.

You assume there is a god, and then jump through hoops to explain why there is not even a shred of verifiable evidence as to this god's existence.

Did you know Muslims use exactly that same type of reasoning and conclude that Allah is the true God?

Besides, that tired old metaphor about 5-year-old kids and their parents, is lacking. Think about it: Are the parents invisible, immaterial, and only assumed to exist in the imagination of the kids? Can the children touch, taste, smell, hear and see their parents?

If you're so concerned about people wasting their time on a website, perhaps you should take your own advice and just move on down the road.

south2003 said...

"..perhaps you should take your own advice and just move on down the road."

WM, is it down The Yellow Brick Road...LMAO.. so it can Get a Brain!

Great movie..hhehehe

Dave Van Allen said...

I was thinking that if he was concerned about us wasting our time, then why was he wasting our time—and his.

south2003 said...

Annoy said: "Sure there's evidence for the existence of the moon, but isn't a lot of things we accept by faith anyway?"

I would love to hear, when there is sufficient evidence, one should require to have "faith." The only thing I know of that is accepted by "faith" is the belief in gods and the so call supernaturals.

Annoy said: "Yep, just some thoughts. I think that this is a great site to discuss and talk about these kind of issues. But if the purpose of the site is to bash Christianity..."

Yea great indeed, terrific brainstorming, telling us that we just don't see it correctly - just as long as we don't expouse your fairytails, everything will be peachy.

Anonymous said...

Annon, if your faith is the "right" one, you wouldn't be so concerned with anyone "bashing" christianity, because it wouldn't matter--right? After all, the true way to god via jesus would be able to withstand some criticism.

I think the real reason you are concerned is that you feel that people will come across this site and be influenced to leave christianity. You see it as "satan at work." I remember reading an article on a christian heavy metal site about an apostate thrash metal singer. Right after this guy deconverted, he did a 180 and got into drugs and got a little crazy. Some time later this guy recovered and went back to his normal self--minus the christianity. I read his interview, and I was amazed at how rational he was (after the drugs). This website warned people against talking to this guy. What for? What were they so afraid of? I felt it was very belittling to have to "warn" people against that. Maybe deep down inside they know what the truth is, but people are heavily emotionally and psychologically invested in christianity that they didn't want this guy screwing around with that. It takes a lot of mental energy to keep oneself brainwashed, and it also takes a lot of mental energy escaping it.

I came across this site only a few months ago, and I left christianity about 14 years ago. I was never able to talk to anybody about the fallout I was experiencing. Once I found this place, I felt right at home. The ex-testimonies reasonated with me. I was able to see myself in other people's stories. I was finally able to know that I wasn't alone--I wasn't the "only" ex-christian in the world!

We're not going to be silent, and we're not going to hide. I've done enough of that for the last several years. There are more of us out there than you would like to believe. Emancipation is a beautiful thing!

Anonymous said...

Well, about a higher power, yes I cannot describe what this is, but when I was really ill from hearing too many toxic sermons I decided that I would go to Alcoholics Anonymous to regain my sanity. Sounds like maybe a strange place to go to to recover from church, but I find it to be a very warm place, where there is 'spiritual' and personal growth taking place, and also some honesty, which is important. I like that at A.A. people can choose their own concept of god, rather than being treated like a child and told what to believe and then live with guilt and fear if they don't.

Anonymous said...

Yes, the brainwashing is the thing. Its like you sit on a seat or a pew and have your head filled with one guy's words and that is supposed to give you a direction for the whole week. That is very wrong to my way of thinking. I am sure and almost certain that my friends who are christians would think that I have put one foot on a path to hell by not thinking well of their preacher or pastor. He (one man) is supposed to be like god in person. The fact is that if all preachers are supposed to be the voice of god - why do they all disagree with each other? Wouldn't there be some consistency in what they say? But there is not - from experience I know there isn't. They just don't know really and they don't have the answers.
I am not against spirituality - but what I think about spirituality is that it is a personal thing. And you're right the thought of having someone around 24/7 is disturbing. Everyone needs their privacy and their autonomy and their individuality. If we were supposed to be sheep - we would have a brain the size of one.

Spiral said...

UberGeek said: I wanted to post a link to it here to share it with others who might've engaged in this harmless pastime in their youth (or still play it now), but it's no longer up. They do have some articles on the subject that are nearly as amusing, if you want a good chuckle.

Here's the link to the tract "Dark Dungeons" -

J. C. Samuelson said...

Thanks for the link!

Anonymous said...

Charles Spurgen once said 'if unbelivers don't like to have the gosple "rammed" down their throats, then they should shut their mouths.' Hey guys, i know that you don't belive in God, but come on, if there is no God, then why are you so hostile to Christians?

Dave Van Allen said...

I've never been hostile to a Christian in my life.

However, I am hostile to Christian myth that is presented as if it were fact and laced with throats with threats of everlasting horrific torture in hell if the myth is doubted.

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